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Hong Kong, China — China has procured from Russia 12 Kilo class submarines and four 956E/EM DDGs, or guided missile destroyers, since 1993. The first two Vasayanka-class Kilo submarines were exported to China in 1993, and the second two Kilo 636 submarines were delivered in 1996. The first two 956E DDGs were delivered in 1996 and 1999 respectively.

These battleships are now all due for overhaul or technical upgrading. But there are differences between China and Russia as to how this is to be done. Simply, China does not wish to trust its naval equipment to Russian technical experts.

A senior authoritative source from the Russian military industry said that for submarines, maintenance is more important that building the vessels themselves. Maintenance was not a major topic of discussion when the submarines were purchased, he said, but with the PLA Navy submarines due for overhaul, Russia and China have been involved in long drawn-out discussions.

In fact, the discussions have been under way for four years, the source said, adding that providing overhaul services was not necessarily included in the permit to export submarines.

The production and maintenance of submarines and missile destroyers are completely different industrial engineering processes, and the shipyards that produce them may not have the capability to repair or prolong the life of the vessels.

Russia has several enterprises that have full sets of manuals, permits, technologies and the proper facilities to maintain the 956E DDGs and Kilo submarines, among which the Zvezdochka Factory is one of the top firms, which has successfully repaired four Kilo submarines for India and is working on a fifth one.

It is well known that the best practice to overhaul, prolong the life or upgrade a submarine is to send it back to the country where it was originally built. So far, all of the Indian Navy’s Kilo submarines have been overhauled and upgraded in Russia.

Under the guidance of technical experts, Club-S cruise missiles were also added to these submarines during their servicing. Meanwhile, the Indian technical staff that was involved in the upgrading also received training in the process.

Unlike the Indians, the Chinese did not want to send their submarines back to Russia for maintenance, however. Instead, they insisted that Russian technicians go to China to train maintenance staff and overhaul or prolong the service life of the submarines. The goal was that the Chinese would eventually be able to overhaul all their submarines themselves.

Impatient to acquire this ability, the Chinese contacted technicians at Sevastopol Shipyard in the Ukraine, through whom they acquired some of the Kilo submarine maintenance blueprints and started to carry out repairs on their own. This has resulted in poor quality repair work, according to the Russian military source.

Under the former Soviet Union, the Black Sea Fleet had Kilo submarines and Ukraine had the responsibility to maintain and overhaul the vessels. The technical information provided to China by the Ukrainians, therefore, was from manuals for the earlier edition Kilo submarines.

The Kilo 636 series has undergone a thorough upgrade since that time, with completely different battery, navigation and fire control systems, as well as weapon systems. The Ukrainian manuals were simply not adequate to instruct China in repairing the submarines.

As for the maintenance of the 956E DDGs, China’s Bohai Shipyard insisted that it would overhaul the destroyers on its own, and that Russia only needed to train its maintenance workers. Thus in 2008 Russia trained 25 technical staff for this shipyard, and another 10 this year.

Still the Russian technicians advised that the Chinese send the destroyers back to Russia’s Zvezdochka Factory for full maintenance, as moving the necessary heavy-duty equipment to the Bohai Shipyard would not be easy. This is why negotiations have continued over such a long period, with no agreement yet signed on the provision of follow-up service.

Meanwhile, the PLA Navy appeared to be repairing Kilo submarines at the Hudong Shipyard in Shanghai for some time. Interestingly, one submarine has been anchored at a berth there for at least two years. It is likely that China has dissected one Kilo submarine for the purpose of reverse engineering and maintenance testing.

It is worth nothing that the physical appearance of China’s Yuan class submarine has been listed by the Russian Defense Ministry as an imitation of the Russian Kilo submarine.

China’s unwillingness to let Russia service its existing Russian-made naval equipment is similar to its attitude toward cooperation with the Russian air force with regard to its fighter planes. In other words, China’s suspicion and distrust of Russia have not abated, and its aspiration to do everything indigenously has become stronger than ever.

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(Andrei Chang is editor-in-chief of Kanwa Defense Review Monthly, registered in Toronto, Canada.)



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gunasekar @ December 31, 2009 05:25PM HKT
December 31 — Human rights in Bangladesh were anything but healthy in 2009 under the ruling Awami League led alliance. According to a report on Thursday by the oldest Bengali newspaper of Bangladesh, the Daily Sangbad, around 4,000 people were murdered, which averages to about 11 deaths each day. There were 10 politically motivated murders and 12,074 torture cases related to women. Tender grabbing was a common feature of the ruling party cadres.

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gunasekar @ December 31, 2009 01:29PM HKT
Ashraf, the Pakistani went to London's Heathrow airport to buy his ticket back home to Rawalpindi. At the counter he found that he was 10 pence short of the fare.

Having no other way out, he turned to all the other passengers and begged.." Will someone please give me 10 pence? I badly want to go back and meet my Abba and Ammi again!"

"Here" said a Sardar, reaching into his wallet and handing him one Pound"..Keep the change and take nine of your country men with you!"


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slope @ December 31, 2009 09:36AM HKT
"Canada is sending 500,000 replacement Pakastanis"
nice but what china is sending? not even caskets

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gunasekar @ December 31, 2009 08:18AM HKT
Paki Earthquake

The news reported today that there has been a powerful earthquake in Pakistan last night, measuring 9.2 on the Richter scale. A reported 335,000 Pakis are confirmed dead and another 239,000 are missing.

The world is horrified by the event, and are rushing to aid Pakistan.

The United States is sending 10 billion dollars immediately with more expected to follow

The United Kingdom is sending food, clothing, and supplies to aid the suffering citizens.

Canada is sending 500,000 replacement Pakastanis.

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slope @ December 30, 2009 11:57PM HKT
gunesekar and sara!!!
calm down and waste no breath on these jealous pakeees. they have no word to admire their country pakeeeeland and bangledesh but china. chinese people hate moslems and thats no hidden concept. Uighur slaughter is the perfect example. just couple of days ago chinese displayed their hatred by executing a british moslem despite millions of calls for clemency. do I need say more?

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slope @ December 30, 2009 11:47PM HKT
harisuck (formerly cooooliehead), are you the same guy as loooie da niggga luis and human rights? one good thing about you is that you are in USA. would you like to get together for a coffee? I am in Buffalo NY dude.
:-)

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gunasekar @ December 30, 2009 11:57AM HKT
ISRAEL - INDIA - RUSSIA are strong military alliance....
India - Israel developing avionics / Awacs
Russia - India developing missiles

Israel will not sell any weapons to China under USA orders...
Russia just sell weapons, does not jointly develop anything with China because Russia does not trust CHINAAA

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gunasekar @ December 30, 2009 11:54AM HKT
if u said usa/ russia / japan / india / australia alliance.... it would have been right...

u keep on forgetting china is communist state........... history have shown the revolt will always from within...........

east germany, soviets, chech, east europe, south africa all gone due to people power.....

humans can live long like a bird inside a cage.... it will burts open and fly away when the oppurtunity comes.....

china struggling to contain information / internet/ dissidents.....

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harisuck @ December 30, 2009 10:16AM HKT
What's the point of talking crap about others religion or caste. No matter what the topic is about, the result is mud slinging. As an American, I'm more interested in the US/China/Russia triangle as these are the most important relationships that will shape the 21st century. So far, US is by far the most powerful nation. China has a stronger economy but Russia has more advance defence technology. However, I do see China catch up to Russia soon and then the Europeans.

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Nazree @ December 29, 2009 10:30PM HKT

u tamil love it (google), i do what tamil like to make him happy, it is not sin

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gunasekar @ December 29, 2009 10:24PM HKT
u are a psycho nazi, nobody loves talking bad words..... unfortunately, u are sinning against your god for keep on swearing bad words.....maybe u need to go haj again next year...

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gunasekar @ December 29, 2009 10:20PM HKT
louis 'Singaporeans are afraid of Malaysia's high criminal rate.'

100% true on this..........especially johor bahru city opposite singapore....

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Louis @ December 29, 2009 07:13PM HKT

I did say Malay involve also, but when you ask Malaysian and Singaporean, both Indian and Malay will likely said as culprits.

Singaporeans are afraid of Malaysia's high criminal rate.

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gunasekar @ December 29, 2009 07:05PM HKT
indian gang yes.....motobike robbery no....its mainly done by indonesian in malaysia and local malays..... i am sure you know about the 'mat rempit 100% malay muslim' you can google on that....

guns in malaysia mainly controlled by chinese triads who bring in through thailand....

true , there are indian gangsters.... but majority are chinese kingpins in penang and selangor.....the head of gengstars are BK Tan, and IGP Head police malaysia Musa Hassan....

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Louis @ December 29, 2009 06:29PM HKT

Being in Singapore and Malaysia for some times, what you say about Chinese and the Malay-dominated government is partly true.

But I think you leave out a significant portion of fact for the disgusting Indian motorbike robbery, rampant Indian gangs that slash people, some of them with guns into the mini markets.

Chinese gangs there are more engaged to business-like activities as what you mentioned which will not disturb the common people, Indian gangs have transformed from last time petty robberies to bank and road robbery (though snatching on motorbike which is increasingly popular by Malay), or sometimes even engage into meaningless gang fights without economic benefits.

But when you asked Malaysian and Singaporean, obviously, Indian gangs is the most annoying and loathed for their pettiness and cruelty towards even commoners. I often advised not to be alone especially in Johor Bahru.

Malay are generally milder, and involved in sexual kind of things..., I think you know that.

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gunasekar @ December 29, 2009 06:21PM HKT
sara.........

i never seen such cowards.....on our side, we reveal our identity, but there a some bunch of chinese and muslim monkeys that will hide behind their ID and whack one side....

they are afraid, that once we know their background, nationality, we can effectively counter them......

if nazree, louis, humanrights, coolhead etc dont have the guts, you monkeys can leave this chat ...............

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sara @ December 29, 2009 04:36PM HKT
To gunasekar:

This is the right time i talk about Louis he will say he has answered all my comments .But actually he didnt he know only to say indians are talking big
and will not accept the Actual fact what we are talking .He will say Indian Agni-2 missile failed and one-day it will kill its own people Then i replied by saying That has actually happened in china Where china rocket-exploded and killed 200 chinese people .Then reply from his side is nothing
2) my second questions are China has problem with all of its neighbours
for that he said on great answer that chinese will go to war just-like that
and he will not talk about the supression happening in china .but he will talk about india
So the conclusion is Louis,coolhead,Nazree all will repeat the same point what they said and their comments will be Anti-india So when they start repeating the point Just dont reply Because me and slope know about these guys and this comment is for ur knowledge about these guys

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gunasekar @ December 29, 2009 02:50PM HKT
hari, thats economic relationship at the moment....so what..... in the times of war, whar would happen to china..??? it will collapse....russia or US , japan, taiwan, EU all dont like communist china.... maybe they can take angola, sudan, cuba, venezuela for backing in the UN......

all people are certain china will be at war in the near future...either with Taiwan or India.... or a war due to instability in TIBET nation or XINJIANG.... and none of the democratic country will side with them.....

remember hari....the nazi germans, italian and japanese can never fight forever against the rest of the world....so they lost...... people in the bad side will always be a minority....on the good side will always be majority..... evil vs good....good always win......

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harisuck @ December 29, 2009 12:19PM HKT
read the following article

htt p://w ww.foreignaffairs.c om/articles/65230/stephen-kotkin/the-unbalanced-triangle

on US/China/Russian relationship. As for the Indians here, please stop commenting about India. wait for the next Hari suck article to brag about India.

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harisuck @ December 29, 2009 12:17PM HKT
working

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gunasekar @ December 29, 2009 08:23AM HKT
check out this for muslim leadership ( also exposed by the muslims themselves)

htt p://malaysia-today.n et/index.php?option=c om_content&view=article&id=28559:najib-and-the-murdered-mongolian-&catid=71:archives-2009&Itemid=100106

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gunasekar @ December 29, 2009 08:04AM HKT
in malaysia, the chinese not only excel in economy but they also controls the triads and tailo gangs which controls prostitution, gambling, illegal VCD/DVD business (the worlds largest pirate copies manufactured in malaysia by the chinese)which of course withe help of muslim police force and policians here (ruling UMNO)....billions of dollars worth of these activities carried out by chinese and malay muslims.....

not to forget, the biggest illegal traficking of wildlife (check out National Geographic website / magazine in january 2010) breaking story..............

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slope @ December 29, 2009 06:39AM HKT
here is one more stripe for china:
(htt p://ww w.strategypage.co m/qnd/china/articles/20091228.aspx)
just take the spaces out

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slope @ December 29, 2009 06:28AM HKT
all of ya indian fellas, don't get carried away by this website. it is sponsored by PLA. india bashers are paid by this website where as anti chinese comments are not allowed. that is known as "chinese democracy" or suppresion of free speech. don't waste your time on this. 9 outta 10 on this site are orientals so leave this site for their fantasy talks.

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Louis @ December 28, 2009 09:26PM HKT

I visited Taiwan recently as well.

I like Taiwan more than China, but Taiwan politics also bit of chaotic.
But its people very nice and polite.

Overall, they are just the same people, same language, same culture.

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Louis @ December 28, 2009 09:23PM HKT
India is democratic but Indians are the most undemocratic. China is autocratic but Chinese are democratic. In India, many are born to be untouchables and their descendents would remain the same. In China, poor rural kids have the chance to change their life. India has many serious problems that are difficult to crack, i.e., caste divisions, ethnic tensions, and religious antagonism. China is quite homogeneous with a common language that is understood by most of its people and Chinese are the most religion tolerant people in the world.

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gunasekar @ December 28, 2009 09:20PM HKT
so are you a chinese....are you happy that china gags freedom of talk or is taiwan better???

i dont hate chinese, i just dont like communist.....china grows because of the rest of the world..... if outsiders chose not to buy, it will close shop.... that will happen when it chooses to go to war against TAIWAN or USA or INDIA.....

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Louis @ December 28, 2009 09:15PM HKT

After came to China, same as what the article says:

Can India ever catch up with China? By Peter Foster

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Louis @ December 28, 2009 09:10PM HKT

Your questions have been answered in all my previous posts with sara and slope.

Just check out.

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gunasekar @ December 28, 2009 09:03PM HKT
louis : Now I am learning Mandarin and its culture too here. China is not really what I imagined before though.

so are u a cantonese guy??
china not as u imagined....??? what is the real china now u realised.....???
can u share for the rest of us??

have u been to the rural areas??

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Louis @ December 28, 2009 08:24PM HKT

As what I said disclosing of my nationality here is really not necessary.

But I told all here before that I have been working in Singapore for about 6-7 years, occasionally posts to Malaysia and Thailand. Now transferred to China and visited more than 20 cities in China as said before.

Now I am learning Mandarin and its culture too here. China is not really what I imagined before though.

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gunasekar @ December 28, 2009 08:23PM HKT
no wonder the so called taj mahal builder,

shah jehan built the taj for his so called beloved wife MUMTAZ, but having harem full of thousands of slave girls to satisfy him.....

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gunasekar @ December 28, 2009 08:21PM HKT
Muhammad’s 22 Women:

Muhammad’s 16 Wives:

1. Khadija
2. Sawda
3. Aesha
4. Omm Salama
5. Halsa
6. Zaynab (of Jahsh)
7. Jowayriyi
8. Omm Habiba
9. Safiya
10. Maymuna (of Hareth)
11. Fatema
12. Hend
13. Asma (of Saba)
14. Zaynab (of Khozayma)
15. Habla
16. Asma (of Noman)

Muhammad’s 2 concubines/slaves:

1. Mary (the Christian)
2. Rayhana

Muhammad’s 4 devoted followers who who "gave" themselves to satisfy Muhammad's sexual desires.

1. Omm Sharik
2. Maymuna
3. Zaynab (a third one)
4. Khawla

Zaynab of Jahsh was originally Muhammad's adopted son Zaid's wife. made his son divorce her and he married her ....

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gunasekar @ December 28, 2009 08:15PM HKT
so be it louis, agreed.....

so you are a chinese from singapore or USA????
harisuck is from USA.....

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slope @ December 28, 2009 07:48PM HKT
nazree!!! why did mohammed have 13 wives and the last one being only 6 years old (while he was 53 years old himself). why he raped somany infidel women if he declared himself a holyman? did Jesus or Buddha rape or had so many wives? now you know why you are a sick race?
harisuck (coolihead) whereabouts in america are you, cock sucker? No American is china lover you motherf'cker

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Louis @ December 28, 2009 07:32PM HKT

Confucius is not a religion too nor Taoism.
Confucius is about ethics and improving oneself through learning and no God whatsoever in it as Taoism is.

China has no religion except the later developed idol worshiping one that people put a name to it as Taoism.

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gunasekar @ December 28, 2009 07:24PM HKT
louis, who ever was confucius, the values that he preach is good.....hindus will have no problem learn about him.....but can you say the same about the muslims.... no need to talk about indians or chinese....

if you are a chinese, you will admit, ISLAM and muslims are a threat to world peace......

do you dare taking a plane anywhere with some bunch of muslim in the plane ....deep down , you will be worried a little....like the nigerian who tried to blow up the Delta Airlines flight....

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gunasekar @ December 28, 2009 07:20PM HKT
louis,

buddhism is also more to philosophy not religion but people and some institution made it into religion.....

same goes for jesus.... he never says he is the god or son of god for christianity.....he just wanted to spread the truth and bring spirituality and belief of god to people.....and again... people make it into church , vatican etc....

i will not say if confucius influenced buddha or buddha influence confucius....but they all derived their knowledge from god and not by themselves....

and believe me, there is only 1 god for all of us....and its not indian god or chinese god or islam god....its just GOD .. . .

if people realise this we can see peace in this world.....

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Louis @ December 28, 2009 06:58PM HKT

Before you even start to talk, check your facts properly, don't be a laughing stock again for India, pls.....

And for your info, I have been working in Malaysia, Singapore and Thailand, I know what you are all like in Malaysia, even in Singapore. You want to hear more from me???

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Louis @ December 28, 2009 06:54PM HKT

gunasekar
As expected, you answer in a typical Indian way as I said before for Sara, check for my previous posts as what it is.

Don't be another big head, talk big Indian here to say:

(learn about bharata from the ancient times........... chinese owe their buddhism and confucius, lao tze due to us SANATANA DHARMA..........)

Do you even know that Confucius was about the same age with Buddha, and Laotze was even older than Confucius, Buddha just a little brother to Laotze???

Buddhism came to China only during The Southern and Northern Dynasties (420–589 AD) , during this period the process of sinicization accelerated into Distinctive Chinese Buddhism (wiki), more sophisticated one as Zen.And Buddhism just a pariah belief for a small quantity of the commoners, where Chinese advocated Confuciusnism in official management and Taoism in private life. Buddhism is just a side dish.

Laotze is not a religion such as Buddha, but a higher philosophical way of life, about nature, harmony.


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gunasekar @ December 28, 2009 06:30PM HKT
i wonder why the jews never stay in arab land............

In addition to Jewish expatriates and recent immigrants, there are five native Jewish communities in India:

1. The Cochin Jews arrived in India 2,500 years ago and settled down in Cochin, Kerala as traders.
2. The Bene Israel arrived in the state of Maharashtra 2,100 years ago.
3. The Baghdadi Jews arrived in the city Mumbai from Iraq, Iran, and Afghanistan, and Arab countries about 250 years ago.
4. The Bnei Menashe are Mizo and Kuki tribesmen in Manipur and Mizoram who claim descent from the tribe of Menasseh.
5. The Bene Ephraim (also called "Telugu Jews") are a small group who speak Telugu; their observance of Judaism dates to 1981.

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gunasekar @ December 28, 2009 06:29PM HKT
so called north south so what, why do u watch hindi movies??

when we die, we are burned on pyre, skin is not important.....when you die you either become ash or go 6 feet under.....u cant even take your money with you..... spirituality and moksha is the most important thing for us.....

india is a land of spirituality.....it does not need border unlike mordern times.....on that basis, go and see ahat we have in Bali and borobodur, indonesia, angkor wat in cambodia, Bujang senang in kedah malaysia, in thailand, yoga across the western world...............

learn about bharata from the ancient times........... chinese owe their buddhism and confucius, lao tze due to us SANATANA DHARMA..........

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gunasekar @ December 28, 2009 06:21PM HKT
this steve sailer is anti indian..... look at how he compares indian with china (for jesus sake) .....

if jesus came back today, he would give a nice one to this guy....china is an useless human rights violator, makers of pollutant toys and low quality products which wont last long.....

nazree fool, china never had democracy....of course u muslims love it because communist is just like islams khalifah (1 party autocracy chopping head fella)

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gunasekar @ December 28, 2009 06:17PM HKT
india uses china missiles?? harisuck u daydreaming or took a lot of shisha??

when did china sell missiles to india?? i never remember mao ZD kind enough to let indians point back their chinese missiles against them.............hahaha....

before the dome of rock, there was the holiest Jewish temple.....
the muslims always build their masjid on top of other ppl holy sites....thank god the RSS brought down the babri mosque.....

'To this day, traditional Jews pray three times a day for the Temple's restoration. During the centuries the Muslims controlled Palestine, two mosques were built on the site of the Jewish Temple. (This was no coincidence; it is a common Islamic custom to build mosques on the sites of other people's holy places.) Since any attempt to level these mosques would lead to an international Muslim holy war (jihad) against Israel, the Temple cannot be rebuilt in the foreseeable future. '(jewish website)

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gunasekar @ December 28, 2009 06:04PM HKT
harisuck @ December 28, 2009 02:48PM HKT
They call it east Turkistan not east turkey but they believe that Xinjiang is part of China. They just would support more autonomy for other Turks. Finally, India uses Chinese missiles in their military and has extensive trading relationship with China. Turkey is not an allie of Israel against Arabs. As with all muslims, they believe that Dome of the Rocks is the 3rd most holy site in Islam and that its not in Muslim hands.

well buddy, i think you are a arab muslim in the USA, fine.... i dont hate people ....your religion, your business......but if your muslim friends behave well towards kafirs, fine....

but your people do not.... they ll say kafir will rot in hell, allah is the only god, muhammad is the only last prophet..... your ppl will say kill kafir and die shahid...go heaven and get your virgin brides bla, bla, bla....

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gunasekar @ December 28, 2009 05:59PM HKT
harisuck @ December 28, 2009 03:27PM HKT
gunasekar
Why are you so hateful of muslims. Don't you know that the US president is a muslim?

which coutry u came from....the american christians wont elect a muslim to become US president.... obama denies he is a muslim during election campaign and he regularly goes to church... so is he murtad....hahahah

if he is a murtad, u muslims should give a fatwa to kill apostates, same as for salman rushdie.... obama is christian and he is going to whack arabs and pakis again if you people do another 9-11....

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Nazree @ December 28, 2009 04:18PM HKT
Quoting again from 'Interesting India, Competitive China' By Steve Sailer as below:

The Aryan conquests are still clearly visible in skin color, in two dimensions: geographically and socially. Northerners and the upper castes tend to be fairer. And despite the impressive economic growth among some of the darker southerners, the northerners remain the social ideal. Bollywood movie stars are about as fair and tall as Greeks. Indian marriage ads are very choosy about how dark a prospective mate can be.

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Nazree @ December 28, 2009 04:15PM HKT
Quoting again from 'Interesting India, Competitive China' By Steve Sailer as below:

The Chinese have seen themselves as one nation, with one rightful ruler, going all the way back to the first emperor 2200 years ago. But no Indian ever thought of India as a “nation” until Gandhi visited South Africa at the end of the nineteenth century and found himself classified as an Indian.

anyone to comment?

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Nazree @ December 28, 2009 03:53PM HKT
Any comment on these 2 articles on indian proudly industry which they deem ahead of China, they just cun do thing right, whatsoever.

1, Outsourcing Call Center Jobs To India Leads To Bad Customer Service

2,India Call Centres , abundance of criminal theft and poor service

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Nazree @ December 28, 2009 03:39PM HKT

Quoting from 'Interesting India, Competitive China' By Steve Sailer as below:

'Further, Indians tend to be of a more speculative and discursive turn of mind than the hard-headed, practical-minded Chinese.'

anyone to comment? the author seem know indian well, is discursive turn of mind make indian as some says here tend to bullshit or talk big, digressive in discussions, begging question??

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harisuck @ December 28, 2009 03:27PM HKT
gunasekar

Why are you so hateful of muslims. Don't you know that the US president is a muslim?

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harisuck @ December 28, 2009 02:48PM HKT
They call it east Turkistan not east turkey but they believe that Xinjiang is part of China. They just would support more autonomy for other Turks. Finally, India uses Chinese missiles in their military and has extensive trading relationship with China.

Turkey is not an allie of Israel against Arabs. As with all muslims, they believe that Dome of the Rocks is the 3rd most holy site in Islam and that its not in Muslim hands.

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harisuck @ December 28, 2009 02:46PM HKT
I'm from America and I never seen so many prideful Indians. Last time when I call tech support for Dell, I never could understand a word the Indian lady said. I ask to speak to a manager and all she can say is "no manager, no manager"

Why so much pride? I told her off about not to be so prideful and hang up, redial and got someone in Texas. Not everyone can speak language properly, but at least have some customer service respect. I'm certain that not all Indians are like that but gunasekar (Hari suk) Slope and Sara fit in this category. I'm glad most Indians I know are humble, thoughtful and respectful people so I do not want to generalize.

As for my nationality, I'm an American.

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gunasekar @ December 28, 2009 02:40PM HKT
u just go and goole it la, u fool....under suharto (dictator - no surprise) regime previously , the minority chinese controlled the economy with suharto crony.....

TURKEY is NATO member....and ally of ISRAEL.... and turkey hates chinese and support xinjiang (they call it east turkey)

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Nazree @ December 28, 2009 01:28PM HKT

1,indonesia and malaysia the economy is controlled by chinese.
malaysia maybe with chinese 28%, but indinesia only about 3-5%, how to control, u bullshit.

2, turkish people hate arabs and an ally of ISRAEL......
u obviously bullshit

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gunasekar @ December 28, 2009 01:27PM HKT
just multiply the per capita with population numbers,.....the county will be rich.......... wait till the 1.5 billion hindus kick muslim ass and bring down your kaabah (pagan structure) in 2025.....

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gunasekar @ December 28, 2009 01:21PM HKT
indonesia and malaysia the economy is controlled by chinese.... turkey is a secular democratic, member of NATO not the islamic jihadist country.....turkish people hate arabs and an ally of ISRAEL......

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Nazree @ December 28, 2009 01:08PM HKT
how about these, why india behind Muslim countries, ooopps, no. seems behind all coubtries

Turkey 9,600
Malaysia 8,800
Indonesia 2,200
India 1,100

hindu again most successfuly failed nation compare with Muslim World.


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Nazree @ December 28, 2009 01:05PM HKT

i dont have any problem listening if india is criticized by better people,............. but certainly not muslims , pakistanis, arabs, communist chinese.... who are worse off than the rest of the world......

Turkey 9,600
Malaysia(except tamil)8,800
Indonesia 2,200
India 1,100

obviosly these countries mentioned by gunasekar are all better than indian's.




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gunasekar @ December 28, 2009 11:29AM HKT
as i alway say here.....all here have guts to reveal their identity.....except harisuck nazree, humanrights, louis etc......

are u scared that u dont want other people to see what the garbage back your respective countries carrying....

i am proud to say i am a hindu from kuala lumpur....what about the rest?? why so ashamed of your identity, nationality, family background??

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gunasekar @ December 28, 2009 11:22AM HKT
this article is about russia / china but fools like nazi nazree end up dragging india name there.....so there starts the fight...............

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harisuck @ December 28, 2009 11:03AM HKT
Also, I'm interested in how Indian regard Kanard and his insightful view on India. He is a very good author who sees the truth.

I know many Indians and have high regard for Indians. Most Indians I know are logical and see the facts. The ones in here seems to be auditioning for a position as Kim Jung Il propaganda minister position.

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harisuck @ December 28, 2009 11:00AM HKT
Gee.. I think we should stick with the facts. The article is about China and Russia. How was India brought into the picture. Also, which of you is Hari sud?

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gunasekar @ December 28, 2009 08:12AM HKT
nazi / louis,

go and watch the new hollywood movie, avatar.... you can learn something there....

the word avatar sounds familiar??...why the avatars are blue in color, any similarity in the message of the movie with krishna??

by the way do you fellas end up watching any hindi kafir movies or western?? why arab / porkistan movie so boring????

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gunasekar @ December 28, 2009 08:07AM HKT
louis ...'Just see how Indian, regardless of their nationality, twisting and ignorantly Talking Big here and there in all over the posts in internet.'

you stupid moron,
the ties that binds indians are not the nation or constitution, but its more than that......thats why no one can ever destroy it.....it can be of any religion of bharat..... their ties with the land is strong....culture and religion is what ties the bharata land together for thousands of years.....

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gunasekar @ December 28, 2009 08:02AM HKT
louis says.....'If China advanced at that time...,what will become of Delhi...?
But I am quite sure China only want to take back what is theirs,'

you two nazi and louis are a bunch of morons, china can never advance furhter away from china, your resupply line is further and further away, chinese army will be crushed, just like what happenned in stalingrad for hitlers army............u stupid moron....

tibet does not belong to you, do a referendum vote, they will vote for expulsion of chinese to beijing....tibetans hate chinese for the killing of the 1950s....

same goes with xinjiang....
even when the present dalai lama dies, the new chosen dalai lama will end up in india again....when the war starts, the tibetans will revolt from within...

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Louis @ December 28, 2009 04:59AM HKT

India has no ability to self-retrospect, but talking big.

In last Sino-Indian war,big-head Nehru provoked China first, Chinese military gained sweeping and Indian-well-deserved-humiliating victory.
But the still-kind-to-India China declared unilateral cease-fire and withdrew to pre-war positions.(Facts from wiki and Neville Maxwell the author of India's China War.)

If China advanced at that time...,what will become of Delhi...?

But I am quite sure China only want to take back what is theirs, not like the belligerent little India thinking of himself already a big brother, nor like British, China has no interest to rule a Talking-Big, Big-Head and Big-Mouth, disgusting and happy-go-lucky India.

Just see how Indian, regardless of their nationality, twisting and ignorantly Talking Big here and there in all over the posts in internet.

They are just laughable international clowns which they have no knowledge of and that are unable to learn new tricks.

I am not bashing but just sternly for the insensitively dull Indians to get the message. I am telling nothing but only and just only the truth that hopefully to enlighten the Indians at last.

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gunasekar @ December 27, 2009 10:29PM HKT
malaysia except tamil?? 2nd richest man in malaysia is Ananda Krishnan.... there are only a malay in top 20 richest.......

the average percapita of indians are higher than the malays....go and google u idiot....

how much u make per month anyway?? u begging to USA?? do u know how to work???

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gunasekar @ December 27, 2009 10:26PM HKT
just like dubai arabs, building without brain till default on payment and need to be rescued with OIL MONEY abu dhabi.................screw yourself....

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gunasekar @ December 27, 2009 10:23PM HKT
GDP Qatar, UAE.... hahahaha....all this arabs dont work....all sit in house and do nothing bacause of oil..... when its finish soon, arabs have to go back to rear camels and dogs....

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Nazree @ December 27, 2009 10:20PM HKT

GDP per capital 2008

Qatar 124,000
United Arab Emirates 56,300
Brunei 38,200
Turkey 9,600
Malaysia(except tamil)8,800
Indonesia 2,200
India 1,100

hindu again most successfuly failed nation compare with Muslim World.

parapundeh, ask india, what to do with hindu IQ running low and low; pocket becomes empty and empty....

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gunasekar @ December 27, 2009 10:11PM HKT
oil is finite, not an infinite substance, u fool low IQ muslim......
donkey brains like u never understand......

i work in oil and gas related works....i know this more than u...... stupid fella...watch DISCOVERY CHANNEL if you can afford it....

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gunasekar @ December 27, 2009 10:09PM HKT
hey batcha,

can u name 10 world class chinese companies, well known globally??
people of the world easily can tell 10 names of american companies....not forgetting Japan, EU.....

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Nazree @ December 27, 2009 10:06PM HKT

oil run out in 15 years???


Richard Lynn two books:
1. “IQ and Wealth of Nations:
2 “IQ and Global Inequality”

Most of the world can be divided in five group.s
1, East Asians (Sino-culture)@ 105 IQ
2, Euro-Whites @ 100 IQ
3, US blacks, Hispaics, Filipinos, Mexicans @ 85 IQ
4, Indians in India @ 80-83 IQ
(sara, slope, parapundeh's discussions here firmly prove that and added 3 more valuable data to the sample, thanks 3 of high-caste, high IQ overseas and local indians)
5, Black Africans in Africa @ 70 IQ
6, Australian Aborinines @ 60 IQ

& finally let me say this Dr Lynn also reviewed studies of immigrant Indians living in the UK and Australia and found a median IQ of 89. If the Indians in the UK and Australia have a median IQ of 89, then India is probably in the low 80's

It’s the Truth. from over a 100 years of testing and data gathering. (check wiki)

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gunasekar @ December 27, 2009 09:29PM HKT
what the muslims going to do when the oil runs out in 15 years time....???

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gunasekar @ December 27, 2009 09:28PM HKT
hey boy,

can u put muslim country, why u choosing the kafirs to compare?? can u put up a role model islam country (POOH)

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Nazree @ December 27, 2009 08:41PM HKT

fact is here speak the loudest:
gdp 2009

China 4,757.743
India 1,242.641

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Nazree @ December 27, 2009 08:40PM HKT

ur link
At first, I thought the title was ridiculous, but then I checked the publishing date, and I laughed.

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gunasekar @ December 27, 2009 07:55PM HKT
can u put any muslim country there, boy....why keep on putting kafir countries.... i dont have problem with usa, spain, japan what ever....

keep on talking cock.....

check this website....
written by westerner....

ht tp://ww w.businessweek.co m/globalbiz/content/jul2008/gb20080722_942925.htm?chan=globalbiz_asia+index+page_top+stories

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Nazree @ December 27, 2009 06:52PM HKT

see the gdp, india such a failed country, what the use of its existence...!!!!

it never even exists if not his master British company formed them.

they just pick up the rubbish and say i own a big empire.. ha...

but time proves itself that india is unworthy even of British company thrown-away-legacy...

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Nazree @ December 27, 2009 06:45PM HKT
Gdp 2030(wiki, bric future)

China 25,610,000
USA 22,817,000

India 6,683,000
Japan 5,814,000

China collapse???? india hardly struggle to pass japan, poor thing.

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Nazree @ December 27, 2009 06:38PM HKT
gdp 2009

China 4,757.743

Spain 1,438.356
Canada 1,319.137
India 1,242.641

india even behind spain?????????????
my gosh, i thought indian says india so....good.......!!!!!!!!

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Nazree @ December 27, 2009 06:38PM HKT
gdp 2009

China 4,757.743

Spain 1,438.356
Canada 1,319.137
India 1,242.641

india even behind spain?????????????
my gosh, i thought indian parapundeh says india so....good.......!!!!!!!!

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gunasekar @ December 27, 2009 05:09PM HKT
u stupid harisucker......

china depends on external FDI and exports for growth but India is mainly strong due to the domestic economy.... the stupid chinese used usd560billion++ to boost economy but india used less than usd10 billion....who are the smart ass....

and not to forget, PAKIs go begging KAFIR USA for 1.5 billion dollar for pakistan.....

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gunasekar @ December 27, 2009 05:01PM HKT
ISRAEL - INDIA - RUSSIA in alliance to kill jihadist together in the future...

USA- INDIA allied also but not so visible.... in the next 9-11 if happens again, i am pretty sure all these kafir will take the oppurtunity to break PAKISTAN and occupy the whole of MIDDLE EAST ARAB dogs....

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gunasekar @ December 27, 2009 04:58PM HKT
The US will not give up its economic position, it will break up China when the opportunity arrives.....

no doubt muslim jihadist likes china as its not democratic, no human rights, even though chinese loves to eat pig with its all cooking using bacon oil.....

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gunasekar @ December 27, 2009 04:53PM HKT
china, burma will collapse just like east germany n soviets in the near future...... tiananmen square its just the beginning.....

why you muslims keeping quiet on XINJIANG (east turkish muslims) who are living like dhimmis under communist china??????

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gunasekar @ December 27, 2009 04:51PM HKT
since the nigerian muslim captured trying to explode the plane, i bet the muslims will be under severe checking....who are the dhimmis..... i bet its not hindus.....the muslims cannot be trusted for anything....

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Nazree @ December 27, 2009 04:03PM HKT
see this article

Can India ever catch up with China? By Peter Foster

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Nazree @ December 27, 2009 04:00PM HKT

& finally let me say this Dr Lynn also reviewed studies of immigrant Indians living in the UK and Australia and found a median IQ of 89. If the Indians in the UK and Australia have a median IQ of 89, then India is probably in the low 80's

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Nazree @ December 27, 2009 03:57PM HKT

Richard Lynn two books:
1. “IQ and Wealth of Nations:
2 “IQ and Global Inequality”

Most of the world can be divided in five group.s
1, East Asians (Sino-culture)@ 105 IQ
2, Euro-Whites @ 100 IQ
3, US blacks, Hispaics, Filipinos, Mexicans @ 85 IQ
4, Indians in India @ 80-83 IQ
(sara, slope, parapundeh's discussions here firmly prove that and added 3 more valuable data to the sample, thanks 3 of high-caste, high IQ overseas and local indians)
5, Black Africans in Africa @ 70 IQ
6, Australian Aborinines @ 60 IQ

It’s the Truth. from over a 100 years of testing and data gathering.

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Nazree @ December 27, 2009 03:52PM HKT
"This is just a kind of feel-good kind of index for India, nothing more," he said, and added, "It just shows a trend path."

Karnad, author of several books on strategy in South Asia, including Nuclear Weapons and Indian Security: The Realist Foundations of Strategy (2005) and India's Nuclear Policy (2008), who lectures regularly at various military and other forums, said, "While it would be ballyhooed in India, this is the kind of thing that gives Indians a poor sense of their destiny."

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Nazree @ December 27, 2009 03:51PM HKT
With regard to a question if India does have security, Karnad said, "Seventy percent of its military hardware is imported, and the reason is that the Indian government has still not gotten down to liberalising its defense industry."

"So, the Indian defence industry will not grow," he predicted, and said, "With the Americans coming in selling more weapons," this deficiency of indigenous production would continue to be lacking.

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harisuck @ December 27, 2009 02:32PM HKT
Since you guys want to learn about China and India, I also throw in US here. Check out this article about an Indian expert state that India is not in the same league as US and China

ht tp://news.rediff.c om/intervie w/200 9/de c/2 4/india-not-in-same-league-as-us-china-analyst .htm

Its from an Indian expert. Read and comment.

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gunasekar @ December 27, 2009 06:27AM HKT
ht tp://ww w.hogueprophecy.c om/prophecy/mahatmaghandi.htm

Partition, he said, would destine India and Pakistan to fight four wars — each more terrible than the last.

no doubt the pakis lost all............the final one will create arkhand bharat...

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gunasekar @ December 27, 2009 06:20AM HKT
baby brides

Saudi Marriage Official Says 1-Year-Old Brides OK

Call it marriage, Islamic style. Saudi marriage officiant Dr. Ahmad al-Mu’bi told Lebanese television viewers last week that it’s permissible for girls as young as 1 to marry — as long as sex is postponed.

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gunasekar @ December 27, 2009 06:18AM HKT
allahs 3 daughter

# It is an undeniable fact of history that before Muhammed was born, the moon god "al-Ilah" (Allah) had three daughters named al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat.


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gunasekar @ December 27, 2009 06:13AM HKT
Hubal, the moon god of the Kaba:

What is quite certain is that the Pagan Arabs in Mecca worshipped a moon god called Hubal at the Kabah. Hubal was the Lord of the Kabah, being the highest ranking god of the 360 gods worshipped in the Kabah. Now here is the amazing thing. Allah was also worshipped as the Lord of the Kabah. Yet, Allah was never represented by any idol of physical nature. To suggest the polytheistic Arabs never created an idol to represent Allah is simply unreasonable and unbelievable. We suggest rather, that Hubal was who the Pagan Arabs addressed their prayers to Allah through. In other words, Allah was Hubal. Muhammad came along and smashed the idol of Hubal and now the Arabs had no idol of Allah to pray through any more and Hubal was forgotten. There are stories in the Sira of pagan Meccan praying to Allah while standing beside the image of Hubal. (Muhammad's Mecca, W. Montgomery Watt, Chapter 3: Religion In Pre-Islamic Arabia, p26-45) We suggest that Arabs stood beside Hubal and prayed to him, referring to him as Allah.

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gunasekar @ December 27, 2009 06:13AM HKT
nazreee, be thankful to mahatma gandhi for giving the so called pakis their azadi....by the way did u know jinnah died of smoking and alcohol drinking....???

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gunasekar @ December 27, 2009 06:07AM HKT
the Americans keeping a score card for muslims to check...
h ttp://w ww. angelf ire.c om/ultra/terroristscorecard/index.ht ml

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gunasekar @ December 27, 2009 06:02AM HKT
all in a days work............

Latest Offerings from the Religion of Peace
"He who fights that Islam should be superior fights in Allah's cause"
Muhammad, prophet of Islam

2009.12.24 (Mogadishu, Somalia) - Six civilians are killed during an attack by Hizb al-Islam fundamentalists.
2009.12.24 (Rawalpindi, Pakistan) - A 6-year-old girl is dismembered by a suicide bomber.
2009.12.24 (Kirkuk, Iraq) - Four Iraqis are gunned down by suspected al-Qaeda militants.
2009.12.24 (Hilla, Iraq) - A crowded bus station is the target of Sunni bombers, who leave twenty-five Iraqis dead and nearly one hundred more in agony.
2009.12.24 (Kandahar, Afghanistan) - A Shahid suicide bomber on a horse car murders eight innocent people.
2009.12.24 (Einav, Israel) - An Israeli father of seven is shot to death in his car by Palestinian terrorists.
LINE

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gunasekar @ December 27, 2009 05:59AM HKT
ever wonder why you muslims dont believe in idol worship but only allah??

why is there a moon symbol which is holy to your tribe??
why do you people kiss meteorite stone in kaaba?

why do you people go anti clockwise 7 times around kaabah? everything around the world go clockwise in nature except muslims....

why do u stone the satan on the wall?? the satan is within u actually.....
why sunni and syiah fighting for the past 1400 years/??
why you people hate jewish?
why you people scared of dogs??


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gunasekar @ December 27, 2009 04:37AM HKT
i suggest you do a self test IQ on yourself and check out the score......beef eating pakis have -45 out of average human IQ

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Nazree @ December 27, 2009 02:09AM HKT


Muslim Malaysian'IQ except tamil is 92

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Nazree @ December 27, 2009 02:07AM HKT
Dr Lynn and Prof Vanhanen for the 2002 book IQ and the Wealth of Nations found four studies of Indian IQ that average out to only 81.

& also Dr Lynn has a new book out, Race Differences in Intelligence, which tabulates 620 separate studies of average IQ from 100 different countries with a total sample size of 813,778.

& also

Dr Lynn For China found 10 studies with an average IQ of 106 (on a scale where Britons and white Americans are at 100)

& finally let me say this Dr Lynn also reviewed studies of immigrant Indians living in the UK and Australia and found a median IQ of 89. If the Indians in the UK and Australia have a median IQ of 89, then India is probably in the low 80's

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Nazree @ December 27, 2009 02:05AM HKT
Richard Lynn two books:

1. “IQ and Wealth of Nations:

2 “IQ and Global Inequality”

These two books have good discussions of issue.

With whites centered at 100 (one hundred).

Most of the world can be divided in five group.s

East Asians (Sino-culture)@ 105 IQ

Euro-Whites @ 100 IQ

US blacks, Hispaics, Filipinos, Mexicans @ 85 IQ

Indians in India @ 80-83 IQ (no wonder, sara, slope, parapundeh)

Black Africans in Africa @ 70 IQ

Australian Aborinines @ 60 IQ

It’s the Truth. from over a 100 years of testing and data gathering.

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Nazree @ December 27, 2009 12:08AM HKT

all i see here so-called IT professional like sara, engineer like gunasekah

i dun see they r really clever and of high IQ

so how is average indian IQ?????

anybody has the data?????

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sara @ December 27, 2009 12:04AM HKT
Hey Nazree yes this topic is about china but not about the rape or litreacy rate in china .But u talked about india's litreacy rate and rape against women .So now u accepted ur own foolishness of diverting the topic and simply critizing india
and again u proved that u are COWARD PAKISTANI

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Nazree @ December 27, 2009 12:03AM HKT

sara thought they r internet police, ha...
they r bossy thinking they have power to do what they are not permited to, like their polices, ministers love to rape their young girls, rob their men. u know, their rules is no rules...ha

i never been asked to reveal my nationality in other forum but here with bunch of indian slums,

sara thought she own this forum that she can permit me to discuss or not, LOL, ha..
sara is childish if i dun tell nationality, she no good to me and not allow me to speak. ha...
india obviously no human right, no law, but only high caste pariah, ha...

dun worry ALL highly respected non-indian here, u have right not to disclose urself, u has right to speak or silent, dun be blackmailed by bullier pariah indian here of same colours regardless of their nationality. this is basic human rights that no indian knows. their girls raped by police but only six month in jail after donkey years of case. ha...i will go india also...


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Nazree @ December 26, 2009 11:43PM HKT

See the topic is about China, compare with China, idiots (wikipedia 2009 data):

Numer One: Sino world: China litreacy rate is 93.3
Numer Two: Muslim Malaysia except tamil is 91.9
.
.
.India is a failed country
.
One of the bottom: Hindu World except Muslim: India is 61.0.
applause........not bad india, still managed number one from bottom.

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gunasekar @ December 26, 2009 11:37PM HKT
NOSTRADAMUS prophecy of the demise of Mohamedans in the 21st century WW3..... go and google that...

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gunasekar @ December 26, 2009 11:34PM HKT
when you muslims going to launch a rocket towards the moon, put up a sattelite there and study it..... and still you ppl maintain the moon landing is an hoax???

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Nazree @ December 26, 2009 11:25PM HKT
Country Adult Literacy Rate Youth Literacy Rate

China 93.3% (2007) 98.9% (2004)
India 66.0% (2007) 82% (2001)

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Nazree @ December 26, 2009 11:21PM HKT

See the topic is about China, compare with China, idiots (wikipedia 2009 data):

Numer One: Sino world: China litreacy rate is 93.3
Numer Two: Muslim Malaysia except tamil is 91.9
.
.
.
.
One of the bottom: Hindu World except Muslim: India is 61.0.
applause........not bad india, still managed number one from bottom.

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gunasekar @ December 26, 2009 11:16PM HKT
nazi nazree,

at least tell me your birthday and year, i can analyze u from there with our numerology..... if u have the guts....and u can assess whether i can tell your character or not....

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gunasekar @ December 26, 2009 11:13PM HKT
hye paki nazi nazri,

for your info, i dont drink toddy, i dont smoke, i do drink whisky / wine once in a few months with friends (which you cant do), i dont do drugs, i dont rape woman, i dont curse anyone in the net except in this against u,

i dont like muslims which is shared by at least 5 billion people in the planet...

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sara @ December 26, 2009 11:01PM HKT
To Nazree:
U said the following comment :
"People are saying Indians can be changed by education, eradicating toddy, eradicating gambling and others."

So now u are saying indians are fools with out education and they can be changed by education
Lets see where pakistan stands interms of litreacy rate when compared to india

1)45% or over 50 million people in Pakistan are illiterate.
2)India's literacy rate grew from 42% in 1981 to 66% in 2001
3)india's adult & youth litreacy rate are 66% & 82% and pakistan are 56% & 53%
4)pakistan among 10 failed nation in the world

So i suggest the following points to ur country

"People are saying Pakistani's can be changed by education, eradicating toddy, eradicating gambling and others."

Added to that : PAKISTANI'S SHOULD ALSO CHANGE THEIR BEGGING ATTITUDE TOWARDS OTHER COUNTRIES AND TRY TO IMPROVE THEIR GDP BY BEGGING WITH ONLY CHINA BCOZ U.S,U.K CAN GIVE BLANK CHEQUES TO PAKISTAN BUT IT WILL BE LOOTED BY UR PRESIDENT AND OTHER POLITICAN AND UR ARMY WILL INVEST THAT IN BUYING "AWACS"
FROM GERMANY SO CHINA CAN MAKE SOME INVESTMENT AND GIVE AUNTY'S LIKE NAZREE SOME GOOD JOBS


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sara @ December 26, 2009 10:33PM HKT
Hey coward sexy aunty Nazree i dont have to prove anything to coward pakistani like u that where i am working .But u have not answered my question I asked if u are commenting about my country and critizing it i want to know from which country u belong to.By this coward act i found that u are from pakistan bcoz i talked with lot of pakistani's in youtube i think u are one among those .But u are different in one aspect that is U DONT HAVE BALLS TO SAY EVEN UR NATIONALITY .I know even after this u will not say ur nationality so my answers will be now related to pakistan

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gunasekar @ December 26, 2009 10:31PM HKT
nazi,

i work in marine construction in the middle east........... i proud of what i can do.....if you have guts, you can email me at gunse_msia@hotmail.com

only loafer like you ashamed of yourself, talk about caste, jihad, dhimmi........... the world is changing but your peoples mentality still remains line in the 650AD.....

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gunasekar @ December 26, 2009 10:23PM HKT
i wont be surprised if you are actually an indian muslim...... an enemy within..... and please dont watch shahrukh khana movie, yaar.....that muslim likes to drink.....

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gunasekar @ December 26, 2009 10:21PM HKT
u see how indian love to tell lies, bullshit, obsess with high-caste status, they r just pariah in slum for sure just wnting respect.

well great, the so called pious muslims look down on the so called pariah.....where is your islam respect for fellow human being??

u are keep on repeating the snake story and insulting it, beware it will come and bite you soon on your sleep.....

dont insult animals, its greater than any dispecable muslims like you or the nigerian who tried to explode the delta airlines today.........u jihadist all the same and unwanted species of the world.....

go and watch hollywood movie, avatar....maybe you can learn something from there....i dont know how old are u, but u are really sick, man............

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Nazree @ December 26, 2009 08:13PM HKT
i never been asked to reveal my nationality in other forum but here with bunch of indian slums,

sara thought she own this forum that she can permit me to discuss or not, LOL, ha..
sara is childish if i dun tell nationality, she no good to me and not allow me to speak. ha...
india obviously no human right, no law, but only high caste pariah, ha...

dun worry ALL highly respected non-indian here, u have right not to disclose urself, u has right to speak or silent, dun be blackmailed by bullier pariah indian here of same colours regardless of their nationality. this is basic human rights that no indian knows. their girls raped by police but only six month in jail after donkey years of case. ha...i will go india also...

(((why all indians here, parapundeh malaysian tamil gunasekar,scarf-covering-punjabi-guy slope-long-hair-head, no-brain-sara always want others to reveal natioanality in a neutral discussion topic???????????????

indian can't argue, dun know how to argue obviously.))))))))

[ Flag ]
Nazree @ December 26, 2009 08:06PM HKT

sara:i am staying in Banglore i am an IT-Professional working for an American-software company My company is a CMM-LEVEL-5 company



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Nazree @ December 26, 2009 07:57PM HKT
forked-tongue snake tamil leader being asked by reporter below question:

But you don’t have evidence. It is because of such statements that people attack you and calling you an extremist.

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Nazree @ December 26, 2009 07:55PM HKT
malaysian tamil leader twisting it word like snake:

Aren’t you worried that this statement ‘100 over Indians were slashed and killed’ is misleading people to think hundreds were actually killed?

I’ve made this allegation about genocide and ethnic cleansing seven years ago and I have repeated it many times but it (only) caught fire at the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting in Kampala, Uganda (last month). It caught the attention of the British PM and the press in Kampala, the (Malaysian) government is upset.

But to me Hindu temples being relocated next to sewerage tanks - that is ethnic cleansing a la Malaysia. Every three weeks, a temple is demolished. If you don’t call it ethnic cleansing, what is it then? In Bosnia, you kill people. (But ethnic cleansing) a la Malaysia is worse because you are living and suffering on a day to day basis.

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sara @ December 26, 2009 07:54PM HKT
Hey Nazree i am staying in Banglore i am an IT-Professional working for an American-software company My company is a CMM-LEVEL-5 company .So come and check out for indian brains in banglore and how we are contributing to our economy .Also come and check out for any slums in banglore U will find none.dont take the case of mumbai and project whole india is like that.And i want the identity bcoz Louis,coolhead are the first persons to critize india for every article
So if someone is critizing my country its normal that i should know which country the other person belong to. That is the basic of any argument if u dont even have this knowledge in ur small brain .Then u too dont have rights to talk here .And u are also new to this argument SLOPE,COOLHEAD,LOUIS,HARISUCK all of us arguing for a long time but me and slope said we are indians but COOLHEAD,LOUIS who are first to critize will not relave any identity .I have asnwered their questions assuming they are from china .But i have a doubt that they are pakistani's like u .So i dont want to waste my time by talking to Pakistani cowards

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Nazree @ December 26, 2009 07:54PM HKT
see how tamil snake leader lied to malaysian:

How do you feel about the PM’s statement that Hindraf is spreading lies and causing hatred? He wants proof that genocide and ethnic cleansing have taken place in Malaysia.

I started off my letter (to British PM Gordon Brown) with (a reference to) Kampung Medan. Six people were killed, (more than a) hundred (were) injured (in May 2001).

But your letter states ‘100 over Indians were slashed and killed’ but you just said only six were killed...

No, the 100 over includes the six. Six were killed but 100 were slashed and (sustained) grievous bodily injury.

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Nazree @ December 26, 2009 07:51PM HKT
malaysian says of tamil movement in malaysia

There is criticism in a blog that describes Hindraf as "sheer idiots" for thinking they can change Indian Malaysians by walking [...] to the British High Commission on a Sunday. People are saying Indians can be changed by education, eradicating toddy, eradicating gambling and others.

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Nazree @ December 26, 2009 07:50PM HKT
from malaysian tamil association leader:

So if the opposition party, NGOs and civil society doesn’t want to do (Indian issues) [...] if we don’t do, nobody would do it. So we are left with no choice but to focus on Indian issues, temple demolitions, Indians schools not being fully aided [...] many schools look like a cow shed. I have not seen one Chinese or Malay school which looks like a cow shed.

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Nazree @ December 26, 2009 02:42PM HKT
people woke up Christmas morning to shocking pictures aired by a local news channel of an old man in bed with three young women.

The Telugu news channel ABN telecast the pictures saying the man shown was the 84-year-old governor of Andhra, Narayan Dutt Tiwari.

police raped indian girls, afters donkey years only six month jail.
this one with 3 young girls...

i want to go to india for girls asap...:-)

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gunasekar @ December 26, 2009 02:03PM HKT
my god, whats wrong with you cowards ashamed to reveal your identity and nationality....

maybe some of you ashamed of your own ummah like the brainwashed nigerian al qaeda guy, trying to explode in the southwest airlines??

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slope @ December 26, 2009 11:42AM HKT
harisuck!!!! you are not new here if you remember your previous avatar, that was "cooliehead", wasn't it? Harisuck was chosed to mock Hari Sud. I have made all kind of guesses about you and the phuckhead Oreo Luigi. you gues are too afraid to reveal it. lemme ask this, would you really want to jeopardize your 72 naked virgins promised by your mohammed?

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harisuck @ December 26, 2009 09:57AM HKT
gunasekar

I do not know you or where you are from. If you had reveal yourself, then I never noticed it as I'm relative new here.

Also, what about me you want to know about. I'm not interested in you BTW.

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gunasekar @ December 26, 2009 08:56AM HKT
go and watch the new hollywood movie, avatar....

sounds familiar??...why the avatars are blue in color, any similarity in the message of the movie with sanatana dharma??

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gunasekar @ December 26, 2009 08:28AM HKT
the Wahhabist islam saudi arabians follow al quran, hadith , another violent book created by the evil teaching of muhammad aisyah paedophile. both are on the verge of collapse.

the obama vs osama fight will bring down the evil Islam. A new age will be born, where people like Nazi Nazree will become murtad and atheist. Then we can see peace on earth.

98% of religious terrorism are done by Islamist in the name of Allah phub and muhammad puki...........

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gunasekar @ December 26, 2009 08:11AM HKT
barack obama is not a muslim, he s a kafir christian................his mother is white and his step father was an ex muslim....that why you see the name hussein....

harisuck,

who are you , reveal your identity if you have balls.... the rest of us done that except u,nazi, louis and humanrights....

you must be some kind of retarded fella....obama is screwing the iraqi, taliban and pakis in their hometown....


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harisuck @ December 26, 2009 01:52AM HKT
gunasekar

You better watch out, the president of the US is a muslim, Barack Hessien Obama. It you do crap to muslims, the whole power of the US will be upon you. He'll send you to join Saddam Hessein, Barack Hussein's cousin, in hell.

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gunasekar @ December 25, 2009 10:40PM HKT
any problem entering kafir countries, hey u nazi nazree..... pakis are not welcomed in kafir countries....your passport wont be stamped....stop begging money from USA.....go n join your brother saddam and osama in hell.....

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Nazree @ December 25, 2009 09:11PM HKT
want to hear more story of tamil indian in malaysia??

below some from gunasekar, an indian tamil own self experience:

indian is not even worth a snake in malaysia, they will beat indian head-on, but not snake.

also indian badly treated there, no money, no status.

want to hear more from how pariah gunasekar treated there, stay tune:

gunasekar, the stage is urs.

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gunasekar @ December 25, 2009 08:28PM HKT
louis chinaman,

the chinese communist workers from CNOOC were paid the least salary, even lesser than the indian workers in our projects in sudan (about 60 % lesser), working time longer, less benefit....

the only good thing is they have good pork meal every night.....they have their own chef and kitchen there......no doubt their workers are many, but for every 1 task, couple of workers do and 3 fellas will be watching....and work for more than 10 hours everyday....

even in the company, they have communist party member which have close one eye on them of fear of defection.....

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gunasekar @ December 25, 2009 08:22PM HKT
so i am not tamil, i am hindu indian first, the rest comes later whether tamil or malaysian..... i am a marine construction engineer, worked before in malaysia, singapore, sudan, dubai uae, yemen.....

i have worked with people from various nationality from pathans to pakis, indians, germans, americans, arabs, swedish, australians, even communist chinese workers in one of my project in sudan.....

so i know the characters of most of these ppl.......i can comment, nazi nazree maybe only meet other nationalities in cyberspace and hide behind the PC....

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sara @ December 25, 2009 04:34PM HKT
Hey louis dont talk about The balls of Slope answer to one simple question if u have balls Tell me which country u belongs to
If u dont answer this question Admit that u dont have balls and Stop writing comment here .Bcoz the person who are writing here should have balls to say atleast which country they belongs to .
We all know that Slope have balls to releave his identity
Now u should prove that u have balls or not

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gunasekar @ December 25, 2009 07:27AM HKT
malays themselves are believed to be descendant fron yunnan province, china centuries ago....

the malays and Philippines people are close cousins along with indonesians....

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gunasekar @ December 25, 2009 07:24AM HKT
slope,

i dont think nazi nazree is malay malaysian, he is just whacking me because i am from malaysia....i think this fool must be a paki, bangla or arab..... he s so shy to admit his hometown and origin............ must be ashamed of himself...

the malays are actually not the original people in malaysia.... the orang asli (native people) were there first....

malacca, a city in malaysia was founded by a hindu prince, parameswara from indonesia in 1400....

in later centuries, the arabs and indian muslims converted the budhist / hindu empire throughout the indonesian/ malaya into islam....

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gunasekar @ December 25, 2009 07:17AM HKT
louis says....I don't hate India, I have a craving for Northern Indian girls, mature, sexy.....

louis, you are a sick pervert........ maybe u can get those indonesian girls in batam or in geylang, singapore.....

why dont you get attach with chinky chinese..... you are scared because most chinese are gold diggers?? why the hell indians want to get screwed by chinky like u.... maybe you can get some useless chick in back alley....

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gunasekar @ December 25, 2009 07:13AM HKT
chinese are the biggest pirate in the world, almost all copyright infringement are by them..... from movie dvd to weapons, the imitate and mass produce illegally and like to claim they are the best.....

chinese malaysians tailo controls the dvd pirate market in most of east asia....

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gunasekar @ December 25, 2009 07:10AM HKT
helo slope,

please dont judge chinese gals by their looks, they are really bland and most of them are gold diggers.....for them money is the important thing above anything else....

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harisuck @ December 25, 2009 06:14AM HKT
Why going into personal attacks? It has nothing to do with this topic.

I do not know why China won't want Russia to upgrade the ships. Maybe China already did some upgrade to it and won't want Russia to know about the Chinese upgrades as Russia has currently insufficient capital to develop its advance military tech much further.

As for the guys like slope, he is just being an India who talk big about Indian defence. Some Indians online talk about invading tibet and supporting Tibetan and Uigur independence even though Indian admirals admit that India doesn't have the capability to match China in strategic and conventional weapons. So the only place Indians can come as close to invading China is talking about the different scenarios online. Undoubtly, some of these guys are probably part of the military high command. This is actually helpful to Chinese military and it can give suggestions to what Chinese can do to counter Indian aggression

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slope @ December 25, 2009 05:16AM HKT
Mais maintenant, j'aime plus la culture chinoise et j'ai plus d'amour pour la fille chinoise.

why are you so ashamed of revealing your true identity? I only like china babes not their culture and everyone knows my identity but not yours.

Tête Slope, si vous osez, viennent juste pour moi!

calling me a "slopehead (Tête Slope)", making fun of chinese people. send me your your email and lets chose "Paris" for this summer to show you "my balls", you chicken dropping.

luigi!! who did you hire to correctly write for you in your last post? you duma$$ peasant.

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Louis @ December 25, 2009 04:47AM HKT

Joyeux Noël à tous ici!

Merry Christmas to all here...

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Louis @ December 25, 2009 04:43AM HKT
Sloppy-cow-head, I told you I am now moving around to and fro China, Singapore and Malaysia, not in the West (though sometimes I will be in Paris). If you still have those two little balls under you, come to China, Singapore or Malaysia, for the moment.

I don't hate India, I have a craving for Northern Indian girls, mature, sexy with good complexion, distinct facial feature that with good-looking North Indian physiognomy.Mais maintenant, j'aime plus la culture chinoise et j'ai plus d'amour pour la fille chinoise.

And I love curry, Dosay. I have lots of Indian friends and acquaintances (not less than 400), some Indian ladies I love and being loved much, I only have problem of Indian talking big. That’s all as I unequivocally said in all my posts.

Tête Slope, si vous osez, viennent juste pour moi!

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slope @ December 25, 2009 04:28AM HKT
merry Christmas to the people of the world except Islamic terrorists.

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slope @ December 25, 2009 04:22AM HKT
Nazree!!!! you pathetic moslem. islam was forced thru you malays, who are still in evolutionary process. I was born here in USA. you don't wanna know the plight of you terrorist moslems here, you orangutan pimp. most of you malaysian/polynesian monkeys make living off selling your women in sex market. go to any islamic country and what you see, brothels, and slaughter houses. the oldest profession and you still haven't come off. wanna buy a suicide belt Nazreedickullah? use it once and get your 72 naked virgins you horney camels.

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Nazree @ December 25, 2009 03:19AM HKT

Ooooopsss

slope live in a 4500 sq ft slum.
But why slum in US not India. since India is so good?????
u go there just 4th class pariah after the black.
Come back to India and defense India.

Speak Hindi not English, I think u are oreo that speak no Hindi.
साँप के रूप में मलेशियाई फोन भारतीय

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slope @ December 25, 2009 02:41AM HKT
Nazree!!!
malays are aboriginal people, meaning still under human "evolution". I can see why you and that malay Oreo luigi can never engage in an intelligent debate? you two clowns first need to learn the global lingua franca, the english language which can be judged by your writing style.

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slope @ December 25, 2009 02:35AM HKT
okay folks! I live in USA near the Canadian border and the name is Chander. Slope is avatar meant for "slopehead" :-). Ask an American and he will tell ya what it means? Luigi Oreo! you are a chinaman and no Paki, the international beggar. I don't hate chinese but don't associate with them either for the reason that they prefer to hang around only with their slant eyed people. Occasionally, I do have a craving for provocatively good looking, petite chinese girls and chilly chicken. Luigi you mother f'cker, I live in a 4500 sq ft home, which is beyond your reach in this life. scumbag lui you are such a chicken shit that you will collapse and die of heart attack just by confronting me. now you know that why I say that you are a 30 seconds solution for me? if you were a moslem you would be enjoying those 72 naked virgins in 30 seconds. I will come to you anywhere in North America.

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gunasekar @ December 24, 2009 10:10PM HKT
why dont u people go show your strength to the israelis............
even the story of arabs are funny.........arabs are descendant of maid hagar with abraham, while israel tribe are from the legal wife sarah..................

so all muslims from arabs to pakis (islamic ideology) are from the harami union of abraham (haram jadah...........kutte kamine....)

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gunasekar @ December 24, 2009 10:07PM HKT
you are an idiot, because people like you in this comment section, others who normally nice and good become bad to the same level as you......fly a kite buddy...........

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gunasekar @ December 24, 2009 10:05PM HKT
snake is an animal created by god, why u despise it.....if all snake in the world extinct, do you know what will happen to the ecosystem??

do you know what will happen if all the honeybees in the world gone?? humanity will go extinct too.... go study science u fool, i may be an engineer, but i know far more than despicable muslims,......

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gunasekar @ December 24, 2009 06:54PM HKT
i know there are syiah muslim and sunni muslim..... do u know the meaning of sunni in tamil?? u will be surprised.....

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gunasekar @ December 24, 2009 06:52PM HKT
i pity the sikhs especially in the US, they are targeted as the whites think they are muslim because they keep beard and turban.. all because of jihadist paki and arabs......

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gunasekar @ December 24, 2009 06:50PM HKT
i am hindu born in malaysia and indian..but hindu first............u are a paki?? muslim?? embarassed to admit??

are u in UK?? do they check your passport always there, paki??

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gunasekar @ December 24, 2009 06:48PM HKT
if i happen to be in india, and indian cities infiltrated by chinese or pakistanis like in the 1944 stalingrad or like mumbai 2008, i will take up AK47 and shoot down this fools......

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Nazree @ December 24, 2009 03:15PM HKT

Tamil + Hindi + Malayalam + Punjabi = Corruption + Slum + Starvation + Caste

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Louis @ December 24, 2009 02:21PM HKT

India did produce lots of things...

But they are for displaying...

Just name fews...

Cute mighty Arjune,bought few for national day Indian-styled-army-circus parading...

toy toy LCA (as early as in 1983, but a coo-coo bird can fly faster that it)

crazy weirdo Agni 2, I afraid it will just hit already-pitiful-slum-doggies slums there and hit right at those Punjab sloppies' front a$$

Pay and pay again to Russian for second-handy big air-slum-carrier, sloppy Indian doggy hijacked by Russian master, payment increase and increase...for nothing, maybe Russian see idiot slum dogs are easy to bully

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sara @ December 24, 2009 02:06PM HKT
Hey gunasekar why are u talking about Slope he is an indian u are new to this UPIASIA we guys are talking for a long time .So dont talk about indians like slope who are supporting india

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sara @ December 24, 2009 02:03PM HKT
Welcome back Louis coward u have not said which country u belongs to
But still the point is u cant deny the fact that china copied everything
i have given proof for that .And u said india has to fight with sticks
indian ODF is manufacturing guns and other ammunation and already india started production of T-90 tanks under Transfer-or-technology so what are u trying to say when u said India cant even Copy .If its so how can india start production of T-90 tanks bcoz The transfer of technology and copying are almost same

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Louis @ December 24, 2009 12:58PM HKT

sloppy slum dog,

You can't even discuss???

You know What is the topic??

Have you even had eaten you yesterday breakfast in your slum?
If not go and beg for a penny in Mumbai or you have just to suck a wandered street sloppy doggy milk.

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gunasekar @ December 24, 2009 09:22AM HKT
slope u are a wierdo, u whack the indians then like o psychopath in Ghajini, u defend India for this post..............u are a big time weirdo....

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gunasekar @ December 24, 2009 09:19AM HKT
reply for...........Louis @ December 24, 2009 12:20AM HKT

Russian copied Nazi, imported Nazi scientists, invented his own very later,
USA copied Nazi, imported Nazi scientists, invented his own later,

India unable even to copy...they have to fight with sticks, if imports were blocked.

my dear louis, who are you?? are you a chinese or muslim??
why hide behind a christian name...reveal yourself u cowards....same goes for slope and humanrights, which country u 3 idiots belong to??

anyway there s a new movie coming out called '3 idiots' best summarise u fellas....

hindu malaysian....

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slope @ December 24, 2009 05:00AM HKT
wynde: commie china is a two faced whore that no body trusts her, where as that whore is dreaming of being number one super power. India is a democracy and has no designs like china to be imperialist. will china ever succeed?
check this PAKIstani experience out
(htt p://ww w.atimes.c om/atimes/South_Asia/KL22Df02.html)
just take the spaces out

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Louis @ December 24, 2009 12:20AM HKT

Russian copied Nazi, imported Nazi scientists, invented his own very later,

USA copied Nazi, imported Nazi scientists, invented his own later,

India unable even to copy...they have to fight with sticks, if imports were blocked.

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sara @ December 23, 2009 06:59PM HKT
As clearly mentioned in the report China’s Yuan class submarine is an imitation of russia's submarine Even if china concenterate more on indigenous
submarine it will be either a STOLEN TECHNOLOGY OR REVERSE ENGINEERED from a third country and they will claim it as indigineous

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wynde @ December 23, 2009 04:05AM HKT
I think this is one more example that Russia is beginning to think of China as an enemy and that India and the EU more as friends








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